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Bug #23177

Wheels bounce during surface docking.

Added by 18Watt 3 months ago.

Status:
New
Priority:
Low
Assignee:
-
Category:
Physics
Target version:
-
Start date:
07/13/2019
% Done:

0%

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Platform:
OSX
Expansion:
Breaking Ground, Core Game
Language:
English (US)
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Description

Subject: Wheels bounce during surface docking.

Description: When docking a rover to another surface vessel, the wheels of the lighter vessel become extremely springy, often bouncing the lighter vessel around violently after docking. This is more likely to occur when one vessel is significantly more massive (heavier) than the other. This effect appears to occur with most wheel types. I am also using robotic parts to facilitate docking alignment, although I'm not sure to what extent the robotics parts are contributing to the issue, if any. When I attempt this with two vessels having similar mass, the results are satisfactory.

Version: 02594 (1.7.3), with Making History and Breaking Ground expansion packs. MAC OSX.

Steps to Replicate: (screenshots may help here..)
1. Launch two rovers, with significantly different masses.
a. The heavy vessel does not need to be mobile, but should be much heavier than the lighter rover. Should have a docking port, tested with Dock Port Jr.
b. The lighter vessel is mobile with wheels, and can dock with the heavier vessel. I used robotics parts to facilitate this.
2. Align the vessels for docking, and dock.

Expected: After some initial wheel springiness, the joined vessel settles down, with no damage.

Observed: The lighter vessel begins to bounce with increasing energy, eventually leading to wheel damage, or the destruction of one or both vessels.

Fixes/Workarounds:
1. If both vessels are of similar mass, the wheels settle down fairly quickly after docking.
2. If the lighter vessel does not have wheels or landing gear, the joined vessel settles down with no damage.
3. There is one rover wheel which is retractible- Using the retractible rover wheels (Apollo style wheels), and retracting them before docking, eliminates the violent bouncing.
4. Note- After successfully docking with the Apollo rover wheels retracted, if you then extend the rover wheels the violent bouncing is again present.

*Notes: *
1. I have played with spring/damper rates with no success.
2. I have tried different wheels (except the really enormous ones), with no success.
3. All my failures have involved robotics parts, usually a servo, a couple of hinges, and a piston.
4. Screenshots are from testing on Kerbin, however the effects are actually worse on Minmus, sometimes sending both vessels flying.
5. I have tried reducing robotic part power to the bare minimum required to overcome gravity, no success.
6. Screenshots include vessels with similar mass successfully docking, as well as vessels with dis-similar masses docking unsuccessfully.
7. Does not seem to matter if the heavier vessel is on wheels or not, tested both ways. The lighter vessel needs to be on wheels.
8. Using stock landing gear to raise the wheels off the ground does not appear to help either, the stock landing gear produces similar unexpected bounciness.

screenshot0.png (862 KB) screenshot0.png Similar mass, no robotics, works. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:53 AM
screenshot2.png (845 KB) screenshot2.png Similar mass, hinge, works. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:54 AM
screenshot4.png (1.04 MB) screenshot4.png Similar mass, WORKS, servo, hinge, piston, hinge. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:55 AM
screenshot6.png (872 KB) screenshot6.png Dis-similar mass, results in bouncing. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:55 AM
screenshot10.png (860 KB) screenshot10.png Dis-similar mass, bouncing. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:57 AM
screenshot13.png (825 KB) screenshot13.png Retracted rover wheels, this works ok. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:57 AM
screenshot20.png (996 KB) screenshot20.png Retracted rover wheels, this works ok. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:59 AM
screenshot21.png (748 KB) screenshot21.png Extended rover wheels, lighter vessel bounces violently. 18Watt, 07/13/2019 05:59 AM
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