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Bug #17975

Dumpling and doughnut tanks incorrect mass

Added by GoSlash27 about 6 years ago. Updated about 6 years ago.

Status:
Being Worked On
Severity:
Low
Assignee:
-
Category:
Parts
Target version:
-
Start date:
03/10/2018
% Done:

30%

Version:
Platform:
Windows
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Language:
English (US)
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No
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Description

The Dumpling tank is listed as .3375 tonnes empty mass in the config file. Should be .01375
The Doughnut is listed as .01, should be .0375

KSP gold tank parameters.ods (17.4 KB) KSP gold tank parameters.ods For calculating mass and fuel/ox amounts RuBisCO1, 03/12/2018 11:08 PM
KSP gold tank parameters.xls (11 KB) KSP gold tank parameters.xls excel spreadsheet version RuBisCO1, 03/12/2018 11:09 PM

History

#1 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

  • File ToroidTank.cfg added
  • File RadialTank_Round.cfg added
  • File RadialTank_Capsule.cfg added

Also fuel:ox ratio is incorrect: Normal ratio is 9:11, but the 'R-4' has a ratio of 5:6 and 'R-11' has a ratio of 4:5, these leaves extra fuel/oxide after use.

I have changed the fuel amounts and masses of my tank .cfg files to fix this.

'R-12' Toriod: mass = 0.025

'R-11' Capsule: mass = 0.0375, fuel amount = 40.5 oxidizer amount = 49.5

'R-4' Round: mass = 0.0125, fuel amount = 13.5 oxidizer amount = 16.5

#2 Updated by Renegrade about 6 years ago

I believe Squad has indicated that they wanted to make all LF/O tanks a 9:1 ratio (unfortunately). If this is still the case, then it should be more like this:

externalTankToroid
mass = 0.025
amount = 20.25 // LF
amount = 24.75 // O
externalTankCapsule
mass = 0.0375
amount = 30.375 // LF
amount = 37.125 // O
externalTankRound
mass = 0.0125
amount = 10.125 // LF
amount = 12.375 // O

#3 Updated by Nebbie about 6 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Confirmed
  • % Done changed from 0 to 10

This is a known bug, and at least for the Dumpling is fixed in 1.4.1 according to RoverDude.

#4 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

Renegrade wrote:

I believe Squad has indicated that they wanted to make all LF/O tanks a 9:1 ratio (unfortunately). If this is still the case, then it should be more like this:

externalTankToroid
mass = 0.025
amount = 20.25 // LF
amount = 24.75 // O

externalTankRound
mass = 0.0375
amount = 30.375 // LF
amount = 37.125 // O

externalTankCapsule
mass = 0.0125
amount = 10.125 // LF
amount = 12.375 // O

Well aside for the 9:1 mass ratios the numbers you provide makes no sense for the size of the tanks: I think you need to switch 'round' and 'capsule'. Also there is the disconcerting nature of how the 'round' tank is bigger than the old Oscar-B tank yet holds less.

#5 Updated by Renegrade about 6 years ago

I've fixed the reversal issue there.

I actually just used your dry mass figures and recomputed for 9:1. The Oscar-B probably has too much fuel anyhow, as it's about 1/6th of the volume (roughly) of a FT-100 and yet holds 40% of the fuel (1/2.5 fuel vs. 1/4 or 1/6 vol).

I thought 1.4 was supposed to involve a part balance and sanity pass, but I think that was either skipped or coming in 1.4.1. Tail fins (even the craptastic AV-T1 winglet) are still more expensive than a rocket engine (500x3 or 500x4 of those > 1200 fund T-45?? the heck?).

#6 Updated by Nebbie about 6 years ago

There was a balance pass done over Xenon and Monoprop tanks. I think they just forgot to do it on the new small LFO tanks. There has been no talk of fixing relative part costs.

#7 Updated by Squelch about 6 years ago

  • Status changed from Confirmed to Being Worked On
  • % Done changed from 10 to 30

#8 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

  • File deleted (ToroidTank.cfg)

#9 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

  • File deleted (RadialTank_Round.cfg)

#10 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

  • File deleted (RadialTank_Capsule.cfg)

#11 Updated by RuBisCO1 about 6 years ago

This all depends on what you guys want to do with the wet:dry ratio, if you want to keep it at 9:1 or not and also there is how the Oscar-B tank simply holds too much fuel compared to these tanks. To be in line with the Oscar-B these are the numbers to use:

R-4 'Dumpling'     R-11 'Baguette'    R-12 'Doughnut'    Oscar-B
Wet Mass 0.225 0.675 0.3375 0.225
Dry Mass 0.025 0.075 0.0375 0.025
Wet:Dry Ratio 9:1 9:1 9:1 9:1
Fuel 18 54 27 18
Ox 22 66 33 22
Fuel:Ox Ratio 9:11 9:11 9:11 9:11
Prop Mass 0.2 0.6 0.3 0.2

If on the other hand the Oscar-B was to be cut to half its present fuel load then these numbers would make sense as the Dumpling is 133% the volume of the Oscar-B, and the Baguette is 400% the volume of the Oscar-B:

R-4 'Dumpling'     R-11 'Baguette'    R-12 'Doughnut'    Oscar-B
Wet Mass 0.1485 0.4455 0.3375 0.1125
Dry Mass 0.0165 0.0495 0.0375 0.0125
Wet:Dry Ratio 9:1 9:1 9:1 9:1
Fuel 11.88 35.64 27 9
Ox 14.52 43.56 33 11
Fuel:Ox Ratio 9:11 9:11 9:11 9:11
Prop Mass 0.132 0.396 0.3 0.1

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