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Bug #743

Large RCS Tank, Large ASAS, and Large Stack Separator have Size 1 attachment nodes

Added by Tiron almost 11 years ago. Updated almost 8 years ago.

Status:
Closed
Severity:
Low
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Category:
Parts
Target version:
-
Start date:
05/31/2013
% Done:

100%

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Platform:
Any
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English (US)
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Description

Whilst building a rocket the other day, I went to place a large RCS tank, when it occured to me that the attachment node balls seemed...rather small. Further checking revealed they were in fact showing up as size 1 nodes rather than size 2... which has interesting implications about the fact that its joints hold like they were made of wet tissue paper.

Looking into the CFG file revealed that the node_attach_top and node_attach_bottom were missing the ", 2" on the end that seems to set the nodes to size 2(Since adding it changed it to what appeared to be a size 2 node). While checking other parts to verify that the extra ", 2" on the end was universal to large parts, I discovered that the large ASAS and large Stack Separator also lack it...and also appear to have size 1 nodes.

The Mk 2 lander can has a size 1 node on top only (The bottom node is size 2), set in the config file with a ", 1" rather than more normal method of just leaving that whole field off, so I'm not sure if that's deliberate or not.

All four of these parts are also missing the 'node_attach' line most size 2 parts seem to have. I'm not sure what the significance is of that, but since most of the large size parts seem to have the first field on 'node attach' as '1.25', and most small size parts lack the line entirely, my hunch is that it has to do with the connection strength increase a few versions back, but I'm really not sure.

I didn't check every large parts' config file, but I did check most of them and these four are the only ones I've seen that didn't have both nodes set to size 2.

My theory is that when the parts were added, the config file was copied from the existing smaller version and updating the attachment nodes section got missed out, somehow.

220200_screenshots_2013-05-31_00006.jpg (131 KB) 220200_screenshots_2013-05-31_00006.jpg With Size 1 Node, the connection having snapped maybe 1 second after physics load. Tiron, 05/31/2013 04:45 AM
220200_screenshots_2013-05-31_00005.jpg (146 KB) 220200_screenshots_2013-05-31_00005.jpg With size 2 node, a few seconds after physics load (notice the radial tanks hanging at an angle and the clamps seemingly attached to nothing due to joint stretching) Tiron, 05/31/2013 04:45 AM
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History

#1 Updated by Tiron almost 11 years ago

Forgot to mention, first noticed this in 19.1, and it's still present in 0.20, 0.20.1, and 0.20.2.

#2 Updated by Tiron almost 11 years ago

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Did some Testing.

On a large ASAS unit, held up by four launch clamps radially connected, with fuel tanks hanging below, using struts to stabiliz the inter-tank connections (they started breaking LONG before the large ASAS's connection did, so that's been beefed up anyway!)

with the default, size 1 nodes, it seemed to be able to support a maximum load of: 20 struts, 19 Jumbo-64 fuel tanks, 14 TT-38K radial decouplers, and a single FL-T400. Adding an FL-200 to this caused the joint between the large ASAS and the top Jumbo-64 to snap instantly three times out of four.

After changing the node to size two through the .cfg file, reloading the new file, and detaching and reattaching the joint in question, it was able to (barely) support an additional 4 jumbo-64 fuel tanks as well as 4 additional TT-38k radial decouplers. Adding an FL-T200 to that also caused it to break. The joints were "stretching" under the extreme weight, and the resulting bouncing caused the joint to break after around 5 seconds

I've included some screenshots I took of the setup I was using.

#3 Updated by Kron almost 10 years ago

I recently noticed a bit of wobble with the large ASAS unit (0.23.5). In the part file there is no node size specified, so it's probably defaulting to a size 1 node.

#4 Updated by RexKramer over 9 years ago

  • Platform Any added
  • Platform deleted (Windows)

In 0.25, the large RCS appears to have large attach nodes. The large SAS and large separator still have small attach nodes. The MK2 lander can still has a small node on top with a large node on the bottom.

Changed platform to Any.

#5 Updated by RexKramer over 9 years ago

  • Status changed from New to Confirmed
  • % Done changed from 0 to 10

#6 Updated by RexKramer almost 9 years ago

  • Status changed from Confirmed to Resolved
  • % Done changed from 10 to 100

The attach nodes for these parts appear to have been fixed as of 1.0.4.

#7 Updated by TriggerAu almost 8 years ago

  • Status changed from Resolved to Closed

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